00:37:50 Christina Bowen: And Jeff! 00:37:54 Eric Rangell: Hi - I’m in a meeting for work - will join in about 15 min 00:38:36 Simon Grant: for recent joiners: here is the shared doc again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qq-90NFccZ-q6KLgfVdQ1Lihee-jnmtrtYSTOAgmoUM/edit# 00:39:16 Christina Bowen: Laura! hi 00:40:55 Christina Bowen: BENEDICT!! <3 Hi! And Robert! 00:41:15 Nathan Otto: sorry just helping my friend join... 00:42:13 Benedict Lau: Hi all :D 00:42:31 Nathan Otto: My friend is getting a password error. 00:42:36 Nathan Otto: Is there a password for the room? 00:42:43 Simon Grant: for recent joiners: here is the shared doc again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qq-90NFccZ-q6KLgfVdQ1Lihee-jnmtrtYSTOAgmoUM/edit# 00:43:33 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: Password is: techw3tru5 00:43:44 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: @Nathan: techw3tru5 00:48:28 Wael Alsaad: in which pattern does "co-founders and team building" fits in ? 00:51:42 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: I’m guessing the “organisational” pattern? 00:52:28 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: “Multiplex cooperative” ! - fluid participants… 00:53:06 Simon Grant: for recent joiners: here is the shared doc again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qq-90NFccZ-q6KLgfVdQ1Lihee-jnmtrtYSTOAgmoUM/edit# 00:57:28 mike hales: BIG difference between DAO and DHO? 00:57:57 Simon Grant: And interesting to compare DHO and DisCO from last week? 00:58:03 Christina Bowen: Trustless vs trustFULL 00:58:17 Philip Sheldrake: hi! thanks for the shout-out. and yes, Christina is right. 00:58:17 mike hales: For humans vs for algorithms and accounts 00:58:23 Christina Bowen: yes. disCo highly aligned 00:58:45 Robert Best: OPO DAO DisCO SAC DHO DDO :P 00:58:54 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: BIG difference between DAO and DHO? - YES!… my natural inclination is not to trust “automation” which I didn’t design - but I tend to trust Humans... 00:59:19 Michael Linton: conspire in confidence - trust is a very tricky thing 01:00:43 Paulo Carvalho: Beautiful I see it as an invite to co-create :-) 01:00:53 Simon Grant: Would also be interesting to talk about Conversational Patterns with the Art of Hosting network 01:05:21 mike hales: Bioregion - yay! 01:05:44 mike hales: Bioregion + metropolis? 01:06:21 Michael Linton: ^^ yes 01:06:34 Christina Bowen: Urban ecosystems 01:07:33 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: “Payroll’ = old skool! 01:07:58 Simon Grant: Value roll? 01:08:05 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: “Contribution accounting system” = more now! 01:08:18 Christina Bowen: In the flow value accounting 01:08:27 mike hales: REA and Valueflows? 01:08:39 Christina Bowen: <3 ^^^ 01:08:51 Michael Linton: get circular! 01:14:34 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: is this using Cloudron.io then? 01:14:42 Wael Alsaad: how to build common content as part of a pattern language through wiki-like process? 01:15:22 mike hales: Is Cloudron, yes 01:15:49 John Waters: Problematic terms: "value" - a definition seems to be assume too often like the emperor's new clothes - subjective & contextual Therefore "value flows" and "store of value" are also problematic. All-purpose, unconstrainedly fungible "monies" obfuscate and conflate concepst of value - no matter how useful they are as a variety sponge in an exchange modality. Bridging the gulf between what people NEED and what the planet can AFFORD requires much greater ophistication: Conant-Asbhy compliant compound currencies. 01:16:05 Christina Bowen: yes - cloudron - the next step for portal dev would be to have the holonic map ACROSS cloudrons 01:16:58 mike hales: Agree ‘value’ is a compromised term. VALUING - an actual skilful practice, is where the rubber hits the road? 01:17:12 Christina Bowen: Shift from nouns to verbs 01:17:39 Christina Bowen: this is the shift happening from mechanism to ecological thinking 01:17:46 Christina Bowen: From nouns to verbs 01:17:50 Christina Bowen: from teams to teaming 01:17:58 Michael Linton: a noun that has no verb is like a dead tree in a forest 01:18:12 mike hales: And no more ‘knowledge’ - knowING 01:18:55 Dounia Saeme: understanding? 01:19:20 Austen Cordasco: Forests need dead trees 01:20:44 Michael Linton: of course - no metaphor goes all the way, does it? 01:21:16 mike hales: UnderstandingS. As actual capability, of actual formations of people. 01:24:42 Benedict Lau: Will the recording be available publicly? 01:24:56 Christina Bowen: Yes absolutely 01:25:05 Christina Bowen: open coop blog 01:25:08 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: YES - it’ll be on open.coop tomorrow ;) 01:25:20 Benedict Lau: Awesome thank you :) 01:26:32 Michael Linton: https://youtu.be/4-QX8CSfFXE?t=600 - history 01:27:50 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: Get your questions ready... 01:28:12 Michael Linton: breaking good 01:28:25 mike hales: Boundary objects ! Thank you Leigh Star 01:29:06 Michael Linton: hypha has some money resources 01:29:18 Michael Linton: so counting counts 01:29:53 Eric Rangell: Can someone explain the Seeds currency and whether it is related to transactions for services performed? 01:30:05 Michael Linton: not yet, can be 01:30:53 Christina Bowen: #sociotechnicalstack 01:32:24 Simon Grant: https://www.joinseeds.com/ 01:33:16 Wael Alsaad: Is it possible to engage and earn money in the hypha? 01:33:18 mike hales: This is making SOOO much more sense, thanks guys. This is my 3rd try at making sense of DigLife? It looks like some work taking place now, rather than a bunch of tools and a bunch of ‘values’ :) 01:33:18 Michael Linton: crazy space makes for crazy decisions 01:33:20 Benedict Lau: Is there a glossary somewhere of all the specialized terms used in this presentation :) 01:33:33 Grace Rachmany: for those interested in governance, I run a weekly call under the dgov.foundation umbrella every Wednesday 01:33:59 Simon Grant: Please put unknown terms in the shared doc and we will encourage someone to define 01:34:13 Jeff Clearwater: a switch to holochain would solve energy and scalability right to the core of the problem 01:34:34 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: YAY - thanks Grace. - please add it to the OPEN cal >> https://open.coop/events/ 01:34:41 Grace Rachmany: Holochain will be presenting here on the 24th of May... 01:35:39 Grace Rachmany: will add! 01:36:26 Christina Bowen: feedback = gold, but a verb 01:36:27 Simon Grant: here is the shared doc again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qq-90NFccZ-q6KLgfVdQ1Lihee-jnmtrtYSTOAgmoUM/edit# 01:36:31 Grace Rachmany: I'm going to have to run off. Internet Identity Workshop going on this week, starting now. Thanks everyone!!! 01:36:37 Christina Bowen: :waves: 01:37:05 Christina Bowen: 15 min? 01:37:17 Gary Alexander: Questions for breakout rooms: Which aspects of the Collective tools and processes do you like and why? What would you like to get out of the Digital Life Collective / what would you want to see? What would motivate you to join and what would you be excited to participate in if you did? Why we still can’t build one common coop-brand around all the commons we have achieved so far? 01:49:56 John Waters: Why have I suddenly changed room? Is someone play synetgrations? 01:50:30 mike hales: Lost in cyberspace? 01:50:55 Jeff Clearwater: Yes mutual credit implies tradable currencies only whereas mutual commitment could incorporate the multiple dimensions of wealth detailed by the metacurrency team and others. 01:51:53 Laura James: +1 - no idea whether I renewed or not. Emailed repeatedly, no response 01:52:58 Michael Linton: happy contributors make happy site 01:53:01 Christina Bowen: Benedict was alone in the breakout and would like to speak ^ 01:53:49 Christina Bowen: We do have a glossary on our site, and would LOVE help defining terms and clarifying language 01:54:50 Christina Bowen: #adjacentpossible 01:55:03 mike hales: Could that be the glossary that’s been debated in Loomio? 01:55:04 Simon Grant: @Christina it would be great if you could put a link to your glossary in the shared doc 01:55:27 Robert Best: https://community.coops.tech/ ? 01:55:52 Graham Mitchell: Yup, that’s the Cotech discourse site 01:57:44 Benedict Lau: This post https://community.coops.tech/t/open-co-op-webinar-4pm-today-thurs-30th/2057 01:58:49 Christina Bowen: Really important Q that Nick brought up: What can we as a multiplex of coops ask of the ICA to orchestrate us better? 02:00:04 Oliver Sylvester-Bradley: Cann the ICA really help …? Wouldn’t it be good if they stepped up to do some of that work…! 02:00:12 Robert Best: I think Benedict told me about fat protocols before :P https://www.usv.com/writing/2016/08/fat-protocols/ 02:00:39 Christina Bowen: #fatprotocols ! 02:00:44 Michael Linton: act as though we are co-operative? 02:00:58 Simon Grant: Idea came up in our group -- redefine the idea of cooperative "commonwealth" 02:01:41 Michael Linton: or with a little less organization? 02:01:47 Mary Fee: Is Co-operatives UK useful? 02:02:52 Christina Bowen: https://murmurations.network/ 02:04:02 Cath from Leeds: Perhaps the approach is to use CoopsUK/ICA etc to endorse a new co-op principle on co-operative/open source tech 02:04:10 Christina Bowen: Another interesting take on data https://www.inkandswitch.com/local-first.html 02:04:31 Christina Bowen: or ethical source tech 02:04:46 Christina Bowen: https://github.com/EthicalSource/ethicalsource.dev#translating 02:05:00 Christina Bowen: https://github.com/EthicalSource/ethicalsource.dev 02:06:26 Jeff Clearwater: http://ceptr.org/ 02:06:47 Christina Bowen: Say bye for me? 02:07:08 Christina Bowen: I have to jump off. Thanks all!! 02:08:14 Mary Fee: Got to go: THANKS EVERYBODY! 02:09:02 Graham Mitchell: https://www.ica.coop/en/cooperatives/coop-cooperative-marque 02:09:39 Michael Linton: united in action, not just the brand 02:09:54 Benedict Lau: Thank you all :) 02:09:59 Roy Brooks: Thanks to All 02:10:00 Jeff Clearwater: I look forward to working with you all and weaving Holochain with you!