OPEN 2018 – Questions

Here’s the list of questions that were asked via Slido at OPEN 2018 on the Main Stage… a lot of them were answered (see the videos and collaborative notes), but a lot were not, so if you want to chip in and answer any of them feel free to do so in the comments below. Even without answers they provide an interesting perspective on the thoughts in the room…

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1 What are the dangers of accepting grants from what we are trying to replace? 2 Anonymous
2 There’s a tremendous capital amongst citizens. Why have a start-up and then sell it, if you can do it right from the start? Is it because platform builders are not ecoomic savy? 4 Anonymous
3 what was the collaborative note taking URL? 1 Anonymous
4 Did Nathan say funding that want ‘extract’ from our members 1 Mark Ricketts
5 Nathan, you talked about what worked in the past, can you also speak about what didn’t work? using the Visa case as an example 3 Anonymous
6 Answer to Anonymous 10:37: The note taking URL: https://open.coop/2018-notes 6 Wouter Tebbens
7 There’s a tremendous capital amongst citizens. Why have a start-up and then sell it, if you can do it right from the start? Is it because platform builders are not ecoomic savy? 3 Lucie Evers
8 cooperative note taking url:http://open.coop/2018-notes 0 Anonymous
9 What is the open food network doing with the retail co-operative societies in the UK? And what could be done to improve that? 2 Steve Gill
10 To first panelists: How did your organizations get their start? What was the lag time before reaching a sustainable organization that can afford to support contributing-members in a good life? 2 Rashid Owoyele
11 What have been your early experiences of using co-budget? (Open Food Network) 1 Rory Ridley-Duff
12 Peter – what have been your early experiences in terms of structuring and applying the FairShares Model to your ownership and governance? 3 Rory Ridley-Duff
13 To all using Github. What are the ramifications of GitHub selling out to Microsoft? 2 Rory Ridley-Duff
14 Maru: is the NYC market full of commercially run cleaning companies, making Up & Go a more distinct need, or does the coop model also deliver better outcomes relative to workers building own client base via word-of-mouth for cash in hand work? 2 Ed Langham
15 Can the panel members provide more information on how they acquired early adopters and the cost of this acquisition? 3 Anonymous
16 Are coopcycle also now looking to influence /lobby city’s on improving the active travel experience? E.g. air quality, safe cycle routes etc…? 1 Steve Rose
17 Is there any move towards coperatively creating a collection of microservices to address common functionality that can be used across multple platforms 0 Anonymous
18 Is there just one Slido room 1 Mark Ricketts
19 Ruth: how might we position Transition Design in the business ecosystem without being profiles as “just an academic?” 1 Rashid Owoyele
20 https://meet.jit.si/opencoopfaircoop_260718 0 adinfinitum@disroot.org
21 The transition together event was great, partly because there was a good balance of attitude, of mindset. Having two thirds female participation helped, I think. How can we get this attitude more embedded? 0 Simon Grant
22 Are platform coops each reinventing many of the same wheels? How can we share the wheels? 2 Bill
23 Ela mentioned the “international bubble” and that building the SUPERMARKT bilingually helps them stay local. Could she expand on the concept of the international bubble? 2 Anonymous
24 What situations/activities have you found to be particularly successful in creating the very important shift within ourselves? 0 Anonymous
25 What is the best way to make contact with Francesca 1 Mark Ricketts
26 Online communities…if they succeed…inevitably(?) turn on themselves. See Clay Shirky’s “a group is its own worst enemy”.What to do? 3 Jon
27 What’s the role of deepening understanding one to one between individuals in different networks? 0 Simon Grant
28 @Jon – what if people in an online community focus on care, trust, face to face knowing each other, and focus on restorative practice, not opposition 0 Simon Grant
29 Observation really… I’m seeing analogies with historical networking (1) convergence like the Viking Althing in iceland (2) silk routes that had traders hybridising at the boundaries of culture (3) missionaries but this is culture conquering…. 1 Steve Rose
30 Are shared values an important factor? We need to test through deeper knowledge, not just assumed 1 Simon Grant
31 Why not vision and money? 0 Mark Ricketts
32 What ways of creating large scale distributed conversations are there? Anything like the old America Speaks 21st Century Town Meetings? 0 Anonymous
33 urgency: isn’t the problem that the victims aren’t leading the conversation? 0 Anonymous
34 On Minds: how are the reward tokens backed? 0 Les Moore
35 How do you manage Open Source code contributions in a co-operative model? Does the community get to decide whether something gets committed or not? 1 Stephen Cox
36 @minds #socialcoop #Rchain #@twitter etc how do we interoperate? 4 Wouter Tebbens
37 At #CommonsCloud we need to choose which social network services to integrate. GNU Social, Mastodon, Rocket, Riot what services would you suggest, or what combination? 2 Wouter Tebbens
38 To Claire: you said that the different Rchain orgs have different values or missions, what is on the horizon for the EU office? How might we get involved? 1 Rashid Owoyele
39 Each social platform has its own user profile. How can we make that portable or smartly linked? 1 Wouter Tebbens
40 @minds: You skipped the real question on governance : who makes the decisions about minds? Features? Business model? Are there people financially benefitting? 1 Anonymous
41 @Mayel : what is the relationship between social.coop and Mastodon ? 0 Alexandre Bourlier
42 Within our coop we develop a system for priorities in development. It is driven by the members wishes, but also by the capacity to finance those development 0 Lucie Evers
43 Is there anything in the Minds organizational structure that ensures that it remains open and decentralized into the future? How does the organization itself differ from a typical corporation? 0 Adam McKenty
44 @mind @rchain What’s your revenue model and do you have an exit strategy? 0 Anonymous
45 to Stephen Cox: there’s a link between members wishes, the capacity to finance priorities to be developed and what people want to develop. commitment of money coming from members and governed by both digital tools and governance body (persons) 0 Lucie Evers
46 Can you give an example of an app build on holochain today that has social impact? What holochain enables today that existing internet infrastructure doesn’t? 2 Anonymous
47 What over-bearing problem with society is it, that Holachain believes it is trying to solve 3 Mark Ricketts
48 How is holochain distributing ownership to app developers within its network? How does it actually work? 2 Anonymous
49 Doesn’t copying nature’s decentralised approach lead to an end of society as we know it? Beside all promising opportunities don’t you see a potential downside of leading to a survival of the fittest world when scaled up? Do you see threats? 4 Anonymous
50 For holochain to deliver, we need to trust the details of the hash table and to have confidence in the code. Open source doesn’t mean reviewed… any independent reviews of the underlying tech yet? 3 Anonymous
51 How much technical knowledge do I need to build an app on Holochain? 4 Peter Pumpkin Eater
52 Given so many blockchains these days, how is your vision for connecting or coliving with other blockchain networks? 3 Wouter Tebbens
53 Would you recommend using Holochain+Holo starting today to transition existing organisations for their old silo apps, for needs and offers communication, mutual credit, time banking, and the like. 1 Anonymous
54 How does a Holochain infrastructure compare to existing web structure in terms oof energy use? Slighly more? Less? Double? Factor 10? Given Climate Change and the limits of growth, we can’t afford technologies that need more energy. 2 Anonymous
55 How could I apply blockchain with a coop type platform for monitoring circular economy in supply chain, and thus improve standards? How do I verify a supplier of a material? 0 Anonymous
56 Smart energy (5g) consumes a lot of energy and emits a lot of radiation. In an effort to become sustainable, we are applying a tech on ourselves that is actually killing life. How do we make these supply chains transparent and implement safe tech? 1 Anonymous
57 (Holo) Being a traditional company (non coopérative) how do you think you could change interactions and people organization globally by using the dominant organisation legal forms ? 2 Anonymous
58 Isn’t that the point though – humans learn by collaboration, and advanced choices, based on quantum opportunities, possibilities, and consensus about value 1 Mark Ricketts
59 Humans have been coordinating at scale for years. the free and open source movements are testament of that. why do we need holochain? 2 Anonymous
60 is very strong vendor lock in of holochain justified by their money supporting grass roots projects?. why haven’t holochain simply developed the policing dht as an open standard? https://prezi.com/view/NvRAZ35fln9i70V3YCrl/ 0 Christopher Reay
61 The federal reserve is a corporation, not a govt agency. Before we start to democratise the financial system, do we not have to understand the deception of the structures that control us? 0 Anonymous
62 Can you share some background material so that we can better understand your vision? 2 Anonymous
63 Have you tried collecting stories from citizens, like Patient Opinion does? 0 David Newman
64 Nathan you said you were thinking about “what will invite people in?” If “disruption” is that today, what is next? 1 Anonymous
65 FYI Lots on narrative 1/2Ella Saltemarshe ‘Using story to change system’. She believes stories act as glue, as web and as light:https://ssir.org/articles/entry/using_story_to_change_systems 1 David Bent
66 FYI Lots on narrative 2/2-Alex Evans ‘The Myth Gap’, believes we need “global constellation of myths of a larger us, a longer now and a different ‘good life’ which together shift our collective values base.’https://bit.ly/2v6Co2g 2 David Bent
67 How do we distinguish memes or catchphrases: Which ones endure and become the identity of a paradigm shift, and which ones burn briefly and fade away? 0 Anonymous
68 FYI folks interested in using science fiction to imagine non-capitalist alternatives try ‘Economic Science Fictions’ by Political Economy Research Centre in Goldsmiths.https://www.gold.ac.uk/goldsmiths-press/publications/economic-science-fictions/ 2 David Bent
69 If we put an emotional individual story over the rational argument aren’t we getting as low populists do in their discourse? Shouldn’t we instead insist in maintaining at least a hybrid approach of pathos & Logos? 2 Anonymous
70 Should we compile/commission an anthology of fiction which showcases the value of co-operatives, perhaps in modern+tech/scifi future settings? 2 Anonymous
71 What do the panel believe is the transformative narrative to unite the coop movement to educate the masses? 3 Anonymous
72 A plug, my colleague Rory Ridley Duff (who is also here) wrote a fiction book “The Dragon’s Apprentice” which depicted a world where social enterprise and FairShares was the norm of business. 0 Anonymous
73 If the problem is to convince “ordinary” people about the need for change what about aknowledging the positive mechanism of capitalism in order to bring it to a next (more social) level instead of blaming it as the enemy? 2 Anonymous
74 Caldwell: taking your comment on the narrative of not saying capitalism or anti capitalism, what could the narrative of success be for open platform cooperatives. What does good look like. 0 Anonymous
75 “Stories manipulate people”Discuss 1 Jon
76 What role does synchronicity play in fiction? Is it essential to a good story? If so why isn’t it talked about more often in “real” life? 3 Peter Pumpkin Eater
77 What is the dominant narrative that keeps 99% in thrall to the 1%? 1 INDRA ADNAN
78 How can we create a shared regenerative narrative that’s powerful enough to displace the currently dominant degenerative economic and political story? 3 Adam McKenty
79 Cristina, you found solidarity with peers but what could have helped you make a stand in your discrimination example? 1 Anonymous
80 What’s your opinion on the Solarpunk genre? 2 Anonymous
81 Can you each recommend your favorite contemporary story/book, in the line of The Dispossessed? 1 Anonymous
82 If politics is about caring for life, then why are we allowing 5g to be installed in all environments? 5g is causing huge damage to environment through its radiation leakage? 0 Anonymous
83 Clarification : this is synchronicity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity 0 Anonymous
84 Best session so far! If the capacity for social imagination is the most human thing about us how can we co-create new imaginings of how the world might be? 0 Sue L
85 Here’s on possible one coming from one of the oldest books in the world:”When you see good in others, imitate it.When you see bad in yourself, get rid of it”- i-ching #42 0 Anonymous
86 I would recommend J. K Gibson-Graham’s writing on post-capitalist politics – feminist economic geographers who deconstruct capitalist dominance, promote plurality and highlight that post-capitalism already exists. 0 Anonymous
87 Did anyone catch the name of the author of the autobiography that Nathan Schneider mentioned? 0 Anonymous
88 Promoting? 0 Mark Ricketts
89 There’s a lot of people in a confined space – can those with backpacks, saddle bags, folding bikes, etc. please think twice before crashing through narrow doors, and groups of people? Thanks! 0 Anonymous
90 Has Gary been shown the polling facility in Slido? 1 Mark Ricketts
91 Volunteering and gifts/favours is a great aspiration, but near term excludes those who need to work for money, or have busy lives caring for others already. How can gary’s vision be inclusive and not more divisive, built by elites who can afford it? 2 Anonymous
92 if social reputation becomes the measure how ‘good’ people are, how do you avoid exploitation and public defamation? 2 Anonymous
93 Reputation is not the goal. It is treated merely as a means to an end, the end being accountability. It is also potentially dangerous as a means. 3 Anonymous
94 volunteering and gift economy in the near term favours those with the privilege to work for free, and excludes those who need to work for money or are already burdened with care responsibilities. How can this future be inclusive? 5 Anonymous
95 Either-or thinking demonstrate exclusion, “and” thinking demonstrates inclusion – does cooperation and competition need to be “either-or” 3 Patrick Steyaert
96 Reputation… Black Mirror (TV show) covered this. Reducing people to 5 stars… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive 5 Anonymous
97 Eliminating anonymity eliminates trolls. Fab. But it also eliminates a vector for psychological safety, and may also risk one’s personal safety too. 0 Anonymous
98 What about the reputation darkside? (Black Mirror’s ‘Nosedive’ episode) 5 Emma
99 the ‘transition town’ network parallel is interesting. what is one action each of us here can take to get something started in our local (or online) communities, to start that open co-op network pilot dream? 1 Anonymous
100 I don’t think you can – or it is desiirable – to manage trust and reputation online. These rerequire human interaction and change over time. I would not trust an online tool for that. 1 Anonymous
101 Reputation depends on what you do and how you do itBut depends also on the qualitity of relationship with all stakeholders: in some sense is a measure of participatory commitment and so a measure of mutualistic and coopeterative valuesDo you agree? 0 Ugo
102 An advantage of favors and gifts (by   volunteers giving to society)   Is that you can circumvent many commercial and governmental regulations. And recruit! 0 Anonymous
103 There are many community centres which serve local communities, doing things like serving affordable lunches to working class people, I’m in touch with one of them, but I can’t see them easily grasping these concepts. 0 Anonymous
104 Reputation always risk will become more and more significant, and may be use as a weapon.That’s why reputation care is important and for a coop means better participatory issues and good behaviours 0 Ugo
105 Did finding consensus in Taiwan come from the software or human moderators? 1 David Newman
106 David Runciman says democracy is ending (slowly); that representative government has lost the capacity to reinvigorate itself. What should we be doing, as we bring democracy to new contexts, to avoid the problems of state level democracy today? 1 Anonymous
107 Could the approach of participatory budgeting be applied to kinds of decision, such as planning? 0 David Newman
108 How does participatory budgeting relate to Parecon – e.g. https://www.participatoryeconomics.info/introduction/ 0 Anonymous
109 What are the chances of a single sign on for Loomio and Cobudget together 0 Anonymous
110 Don’t we all really need to hear what the future selves of the hungry and the dispossessed said – and try to make that happen. 1 Anonymous
111 feedback for richard: 2 participants struggling with English found the exercise too quick to follow. challenging to look forward 10y if health uncertain. we should also remember to look back, at our hopes and aims from years past, reflect 0 Anonymous
112 my experience of organizational participatory budgeting is that everyone is keen, until the situation is difficult and you are looking at cost cutting / losing jobs. what are the limits of cobudgeting within your own team/organization? 0 Anonymous
113 An interesting article on what leadership is/mean in coop and new social movements: https://lra.le.ac.uk/bitstream/2381/31716/6/SB%20-%20Anti-Leadership%20-%20211212.pdf 0 Anonymous
114 https://xkcd.com/927/ – the mapping session started with mentioning a lot of existing mapping projects. The first talk refers to a project that doesn’t seem to exist! It seems worrying that such a seemingly simple index can’t be made. 1 Anonymous
115 Mapping the co-op / solidarity economy: maps are based on an ontology — things that are meant to be represented on the map — but I’m still mainly unclear about what things (and relationships, not just spatial) that this “map” would be representing? 4 Simon Grant
116 @means4end ~ we are seeking implement this type of initiative across Andalusia, ES. https://social.coop/@lasalpujarras let’s #conspire ? #disroot #faircoop ?https://hub.disroot.org/faircoop-andalusia 0 Adam
117 ? https://hub.disroot.org/channel/faircoop-andalusia 0 Adam
118 Can we start with an ontological “metamap” first? Not for the faint-hearted 😉 2 Simon Grant
119 Given that every mapping project is based on a normative framework that is contested when translated into different cultural contexts, is this a project that will inevitably fail?   Mapping SSE models may be more useful than mapping SSE enterprises. 1 Anonymous
120 “normative framework” I interpret as ontology. The point I am trying to air is that the ontology itself can be seen as a commons, in common ownership and control, to serve users not to be “normative” it can be formative 1 Simon Grant
121 We want to map because there are so many coop/solidarity projects and we nood a way to find and organise them. We’ve just heard from 3 diffenet mapping projects, could we and up with a multitude of maps and still not know where to start? 1 Wystan
122 Re. how to ensure a map is a live doc rather than a mere snapshot in time that erodes to zero value over time, the Digital Life Collective is letting the tech projects know that funders will be using the map in their research and due diligence. 1 Philip Sheldrake
123 we need to have an ‘interface’ to translate our definitions/norms to large audiences, I think. Any ideas how people outside this conference will use the maps? 2 Lucie Evers
124 In practice how does publishing a ‘shared schema’ differ from publishing yourself to a map, if it’s still a conscious process you need to go through? 0 Ed Langham
125 FYI notes from mapping on Media of the commons convergence https://pad.femprocomuns.cat/p/commons 1 Anonymous
126 @colm i am assisting in the development of practical land restoration projects in southern Spain – as a way to identify available land, water, trees & produce – to better link local resources.Let’s #conspire ? https://social.coop/@adinfinitum 0 Adam
127 My question/fear about the Preston model is how we ensure that the approach is not tied to who leads the council and sustains beyond the life of any given political administration. 8 Nathan Brown
128 To Matthew Brown – great to hear about economic and business reform in Preston. What tangible social impact have you seen from these initiatives? Are people feeling the effects on community and happiness? 1 Anonymous
129 What are Preston folk thinking about own local currency? 2 Anonymous
130 Hi Emma did you know that we are working in Rotherham, looking to set up LocoSoco ( a FairShares company) centres to help communities and schools control the supply chain of FMCGs ( supermarket goods) 2 Cliff Southcombe
131 Re: Preston / Rotherham etcCould you imagine directly intervening to form coops / mutuals for the purpose of fulfilling LA contracts? 0 Anonymous
132 Preston etc. How important is the role of specialist cooperative development expertise? 2 Graham Mitchell
133 Preston works well in a “friendly environment” but where this way of working is less supported we need to use all the mechanisms available to us. So what role could the social value act have in using LGcommissioning to access more public finance? 1 Anonymous
134 Trump says he wants to “make America great again” – isn’t this approach really “make Preston great again? Is “local protectionism” compatible with co-operative values? 3 Anonymous
135 Is it really possible for community interests to be delivered by party politics when there is a tendency, at elections especially, for parties to oppose each other, however good the idea is 3 Anonymous
136 71% of Manchester’s money is spent locally. Great! Where is the other 29% going? I.e. what are the big opportunities for local businesses and coops to take the rest of it? 0 Anonymous
137 It’s one member one voice, that we need, not one member, one vote. The Teachers Union – and I was a teacher for 20 years – lost the voice of teachers, through the development of different ownership models. 2 Mark Ricketts
138 Can you day something about the Cooperative Councils Innovation Network?Is there a role for the cooperative movement? 2 Bill
139 What qualitative measures are you using to assess impact? Have you thought about using ‘Most significant change story’ approach? 0 Sue L
140 We’re a co-op with a national network of 500 small businesses. We want to introduce them to mutual credit. They’re keen. See www.noncorporate.org. we want to work with others. Contact us. 3 We are going
141 What does Michael think of Holochain? Or other crypto projects? Are they actually representative of mutual credit? 3 Anonymous
142 Universal Basic Income simply props up our current (broken) capitalist system. Instead, why not remove that capital requirement completely and simply provide basic physiological and security needs for free? 5 Steve
143 Can you talk about REA (resource/event/agent) and the importance of open data about the whole supply chain in circular economy. So rather than planned economy we can have a decentralised agile economy. 1 Anonymous
144 What are the panel members’ thoughts as to the reason why no alternative currency system has really gained traction yet, despite many attempts over a long period? 10 Anonymous
145 As no economic device can be introduced universally, don’t innovations such as demurrage simply invite capital (more specifically, the people with it) to flee? 5 Philip Sheldrake
146 There is a tradition of local social currencies, and now also the many scarcity-based cryptocurrencies… What can we learn from each? What’s your take on the latter? 1 Anonymous
147 People with better education and bandwidth post more, Can host more. does rewarding this reproduce same inequalities ad standard money? 2 Marco Fioretti
148 Money is a:1. medium of exchange2. measure of value3. standard of deferred payment4. store of valueDo these new forms of money do some of these and, deliberately, not others? 7 Philip Sheldrake
149 Should money systems :(A) have a limit (like the Gold Standard of old) to reflect there are limited resources on the planet? (B) be limitless, ie easy to print/coin new money? 0 Anonymous
150 http://slaveryfootprint.org/ 0 Anonymous
151 If an alternative money were to become really successful, would governments or other actors try to shut it down, as a challenge to their power? 5 Eeyore
152 To Michael – regarding biomimicry, Can recent work on better understanding of biological autonomy (Avaro Moreno) in terms of being open to thermodynamic flow, but closed to organisation (closure of constraints) help as a model? 1 Patrick Steyaert
153 Does this new individualised data world create filter bubble risks (you only see what you want to see), which could make influencing worldviews or opinions difficult? 0 Ed Langham
154 Mooc1.communityforge.net. money and society mooc. 2 We are going
155 How many people present would like to be involved in building a national mutual credit trading system? 1 We are going
156 A coop coin to link all coops is great! And mutual credit of courae. We have a desperate need to bring the coop movement together for mutual support and this could do it. 1 Gary Alexander
157 One tantalising attraction to fusing mutual credit type systems with blockchain/digital architectures is to scale them up into a kind of giant global credit network or rhizome. But what is the nature of the tradeoff between scale and localisation? 4 Brett Scott
158 How and when can platform coops use Holochain? 4 Anonymous
159 Does the different credit limits given to participants in a mutual credit system itself form a reputation system? 2 Bill
160 Is one key area for attempting to design a ‘credit’ system in the co-op model is to capture entrepreneurial individual endeavour that enables collectively owned enterprises to start and grow i.e how do we recognise and reward sweat equity in coops? 2 Simon
161 It is actually the (reinforcing and balancing) loops and delays in the flow that need to be understood as they determine where and how stocks build up – any comments on that? 2 Patrick Steyaert
162 QIARK is a totally new system of Collective Intelligence – but we are also working with a team to solve the Capital Conundrum – big style – happy to work with anyone too. mark@impactri.com 1 Mark Ricketts
163 Guy, how can we use narratives to persuade others with the privilege of inheriting wealth to consider transitioning to worker ownership? How can we use business-values and language to encourage these individuals? Plus, was the shift complicated? 1 Rashid Owoyele
164 Niki, do you think that others will continue to gain the insight of the implied complicity of business in the oppressive systems you’ve identified? What’s the tipping point for other entrepreneurs to follow you lead? 4 Rashid Owoyele
165 To all, do you think that dispersion of decision making might slow the rush towards the dystopian fears around automation? If so, is that a leverage point for encouraging the proliferation of worker/consumer owned organizations? 1 Rashid Owoyele
166 Could we aknowledge the incredible postive energy of Oliver hosting the conference marathon like a (coop)boss? 7 DEZ
167 Niki, who or what inspired you to set up Rco? Was there anything from your education that influenced your decision to start Rco and your decision to investigate worker coops as an option? 0 Anonymous
168 Apart from Investment, what are the major barriers to working in the ways you do? 1 Sue L
169 Guy: sounds like you need to go full co-op ??? 1 Anonymous
170 Would you agree it’s easy to say “money’s not important” if you’ve always had plenty? Money’s damn important for most people who don’t have much. 0 Anonymous

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