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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
---
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay"
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
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I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
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2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay
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> Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
>
> You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
>
> I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
> ---
> Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
> there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
> I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
> thought.
>
> 1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
>
> 2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
> if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
> package?
>
> 3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
> bringing in money?
>
> 4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
> when and for how much?
>
> There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
> can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
> I can't even ssh into it right now.
>
> --
> Mamading Ceesay"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the [http://open.coop/PlaNet|Planet page]
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed [http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=Decision+making|decision making] system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to [most of?] our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the Planet page
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Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed decision making system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to most of? our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb
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1. A 'time-line' will still exist. A count down: 'Time remaining' will be listed on each proposition.
2. The objective of removing 'satges' is simplicity. There will only be a few functions on any proposition: comment/debate/ask a question (all the same function), vote, delegate vote and possibly view results (although they could be listed on the proposition page).
The point though is that debate and decision are combined to allow participants to vote on an issue at any time (which feeds back as its' popularity) . No-one has to decide 'right lets make the decision', so simple (easily agreed) decisions happen as quickly as possible since users dont have to wait to vote.
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string(1341) "Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
---
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay"
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay
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> Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
>
> You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
>
> I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
> ---
> Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
> there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
> I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
> thought.
>
> 1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
>
> 2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
> if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
> package?
>
> 3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
> bringing in money?
>
> 4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
> when and for how much?
>
> There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
> can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
> I can't even ssh into it right now.
>
> --
> Mamading Ceesay"
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string(3442) "Hi Mamading ;) tehe
Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the [http://open.coop/PlaNet|Planet page]
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed [http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=Decision+making|decision making] system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to [most of?] our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the Planet page
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed decision making system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to most of? our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
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That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb
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1. A 'time-line' will still exist. A count down: 'Time remaining' will be listed on each proposition.
2. The objective of removing 'satges' is simplicity. There will only be a few functions on any proposition: comment/debate/ask a question (all the same function), vote, delegate vote and possibly view results (although they could be listed on the proposition page).
The point though is that debate and decision are combined to allow participants to vote on an issue at any time (which feeds back as its' popularity) . No-one has to decide 'right lets make the decision', so simple (easily agreed) decisions happen as quickly as possible since users dont have to wait to vote.
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Hi
Your work looks very exciting and could also benefit from the goodwill
generated and efficiency increased by embracing this www.traidmark.org
100% net profit donation to charity business model that enables your
exciting work to generate profit from its activities (and ofshoots from
them) for everyones gain.
Explained in more detail here
part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4xiNqWGe8
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoxXegFhqY
This would...
1 create funds for charity
2 make charity more 'efficient'
3 boost your companies success rate with added goodwill
4 enable people who created your project to get rewarded financially
though performance pay while creating an organisation that is able to
provide a platform for goodwill collaboration where everyone is rewarded
for their hard/clever work knowing that all benefits go towards 'good
causes':)
Traidmark.org represents a business model that rewards hard work with
performance related pay while donating 100% net profit from the company
to innovative charities.
Traidmark aims to find a middle ground between ruthless efficiency
e.g.Tesco (uk) and compassionate inefficiency e.g. charities by
combining the best parts of each.
Profit making + donation to 'efficient' org's = increased
efficiency/innovation and increased philanthropic work.
My understanding is that small not for profit org's are run by
passionate people and therefore keep efficiency high. There may be a
problem in the future of NFPO's as they get larger and/or creating a
reputation which then allows them to then become (especially if/when
they get into a dominant position / niche market). One potential danger
is just with Google the Mozilla foundation could create such a dominant
reach that it does not have to evolve and therefore could hurt
'progress' by becoming sluggish and conservative in its approach to
innovation.
If this is possible I would love to work with you.
Ed Whyman
www.traidmark.org
www.whymandesign.com
This email and any attachments are confidential.
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Hi
I would like to join an activeopen cooperative.
One way to do ths is to ask members to pay a small £5 fee to make sure everyone is committed. the next stage would be to enable all members to meet up monthly to see how we can collaborate best.
Your work looks very exciting and could also benefit from the goodwill
generated and efficiency increased by embracing this www.traidmark.org
100% net profit donation to charity business model that enables your
exciting work to generate profit from its activities (and ofshoots from
them) for everyones gain.
Explained in more detail here
part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4xiNqWGe8
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoxXegFhqY
This would...
1 create funds for charity
2 make charity more 'efficient'
3 boost your companies success rate with added goodwill
4 enable people who created your project to get rewarded financially
though performance pay while creating an organisation that is able to
provide a platform for goodwill collaboration where everyone is rewarded
for their hard/clever work knowing that all benefits go towards 'good
causes':)
Traidmark.org represents a business model that rewards hard work with
performance related pay while donating 100% net profit from the company
to innovative charities.
Traidmark aims to find a middle ground between ruthless efficiency
e.g.Tesco (uk) and compassionate inefficiency e.g. charities by
combining the best parts of each.
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reputation which then allows them to then become (especially if/when
they get into a dominant position / niche market). One potential danger
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reach that it does not have to evolve and therefore could hurt
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If this is possible I would love to work with you.
Ed Whyman
www.traidmark.org
www.whymandesign.com
This email and any attachments are confidential.
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without permission.
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
---
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay"
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
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I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
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2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay
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> Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
>
> You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
>
> I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
> ---
> Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
> there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
> I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
> thought.
>
> 1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
>
> 2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
> if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
> package?
>
> 3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
> bringing in money?
>
> 4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
> when and for how much?
>
> There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
> can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
> I can't even ssh into it right now.
>
> --
> Mamading Ceesay"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the [http://open.coop/PlaNet|Planet page]
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed [http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=Decision+making|decision making] system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to [most of?] our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the Planet page
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Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed decision making system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to most of? our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb
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1. A 'time-line' will still exist. A count down: 'Time remaining' will be listed on each proposition.
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The point though is that debate and decision are combined to allow participants to vote on an issue at any time (which feeds back as its' popularity) . No-one has to decide 'right lets make the decision', so simple (easily agreed) decisions happen as quickly as possible since users dont have to wait to vote.
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
---
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay"
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay
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> Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
>
> You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
>
> I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
> ---
> Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
> there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
> I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
> thought.
>
> 1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
>
> 2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
> if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
> package?
>
> 3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
> bringing in money?
>
> 4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
> when and for how much?
>
> There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
> can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
> I can't even ssh into it right now.
>
> --
> Mamading Ceesay"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the [http://open.coop/PlaNet|Planet page]
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed [http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=Decision+making|decision making] system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to [most of?] our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the Planet page
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
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Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed decision making system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to most of? our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb
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1. A 'time-line' will still exist. A count down: 'Time remaining' will be listed on each proposition.
2. The objective of removing 'satges' is simplicity. There will only be a few functions on any proposition: comment/debate/ask a question (all the same function), vote, delegate vote and possibly view results (although they could be listed on the proposition page).
The point though is that debate and decision are combined to allow participants to vote on an issue at any time (which feeds back as its' popularity) . No-one has to decide 'right lets make the decision', so simple (easily agreed) decisions happen as quickly as possible since users dont have to wait to vote.
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Hi
Your work looks very exciting and could also benefit from the goodwill
generated and efficiency increased by embracing this www.traidmark.org
100% net profit donation to charity business model that enables your
exciting work to generate profit from its activities (and ofshoots from
them) for everyones gain.
Explained in more detail here
part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4xiNqWGe8
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoxXegFhqY
This would...
1 create funds for charity
2 make charity more 'efficient'
3 boost your companies success rate with added goodwill
4 enable people who created your project to get rewarded financially
though performance pay while creating an organisation that is able to
provide a platform for goodwill collaboration where everyone is rewarded
for their hard/clever work knowing that all benefits go towards 'good
causes':)
Traidmark.org represents a business model that rewards hard work with
performance related pay while donating 100% net profit from the company
to innovative charities.
Traidmark aims to find a middle ground between ruthless efficiency
e.g.Tesco (uk) and compassionate inefficiency e.g. charities by
combining the best parts of each.
Profit making + donation to 'efficient' org's = increased
efficiency/innovation and increased philanthropic work.
My understanding is that small not for profit org's are run by
passionate people and therefore keep efficiency high. There may be a
problem in the future of NFPO's as they get larger and/or creating a
reputation which then allows them to then become (especially if/when
they get into a dominant position / niche market). One potential danger
is just with Google the Mozilla foundation could create such a dominant
reach that it does not have to evolve and therefore could hurt
'progress' by becoming sluggish and conservative in its approach to
innovation.
If this is possible I would love to work with you.
Ed Whyman
www.traidmark.org
www.whymandesign.com
This email and any attachments are confidential.
You may not use any information contained in this email or attachments
without permission. edwhyman@gmail.com
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Hi
I would like to join an activeopen cooperative.
One way to do ths is to ask members to pay a small £5 fee to make sure everyone is committed. the next stage would be to enable all members to meet up monthly to see how we can collaborate best.
Your work looks very exciting and could also benefit from the goodwill
generated and efficiency increased by embracing this www.traidmark.org
100% net profit donation to charity business model that enables your
exciting work to generate profit from its activities (and ofshoots from
them) for everyones gain.
Explained in more detail here
part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp4xiNqWGe8
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAoxXegFhqY
This would...
1 create funds for charity
2 make charity more 'efficient'
3 boost your companies success rate with added goodwill
4 enable people who created your project to get rewarded financially
though performance pay while creating an organisation that is able to
provide a platform for goodwill collaboration where everyone is rewarded
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causes':)
Traidmark.org represents a business model that rewards hard work with
performance related pay while donating 100% net profit from the company
to innovative charities.
Traidmark aims to find a middle ground between ruthless efficiency
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combining the best parts of each.
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reputation which then allows them to then become (especially if/when
they get into a dominant position / niche market). One potential danger
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reach that it does not have to evolve and therefore could hurt
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If this is possible I would love to work with you.
Ed Whyman
www.traidmark.org
www.whymandesign.com
This email and any attachments are confidential.
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
---
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay"
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You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
thought.
1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
package?
3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
bringing in money?
4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
when and for how much?
There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
I can't even ssh into it right now.
--
Mamading Ceesay
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> Since the flowing, which was e-mailed by Mamading seems so important and looks like the beginning of a long conversation (which I have been dyding to get to the end of for some time) I have taken the liberty of pasting it to this forum.
>
> You can watch these forums, and do cool things in 'admin forums' (like Forward messages to this forum to this e-mail address, in a format that can be used for sending back to the inbound forum e-mail address)
>
> I have numbered mamadings questions for clarity.
> ---
> Between yesterday's meeting and Oli's proposal, it seems to me that
> there is a lack of clarity over the business model/plan for Open. So
> I'm going to ask some questions that will hopefully provoke some
> thought.
>
> 1. What products/services is Open going to provide to partners/members?
>
> 2. Will partners/members pay some sort of membership fee/subscription and
> if so what products/services will they get as part of the membership
> package?
>
> 3. How does Open get to the point where it can set up shop and start
> bringing in money?
>
> 4. What funding applications can Open make? For what, to whom,
> when and for how much?
>
> There's probably some related material on the open coop site, but I
> can't seem to reach it right now. Can someone get Dinix to look at it,
> I can't even ssh into it right now.
>
> --
> Mamading Ceesay"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the [http://open.coop/PlaNet|Planet page]
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed [http://open.coop/tiki-index.php?page=Decision+making|decision making] system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to [most of?] our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
olisb"
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Good questions.
Here's how i see it...
1. Ultimately (hopefully) we will offer our members everything listed on the Planet page
Initially, I think we should offer our members:
Email (POP3, IMAP and web mail) with spam filtering and virus scanning at their own open.coop address, Mailing lists and Shared calendars (as u suggest!!) and ALL FOR FREE
Plus, simple practical advice on how to start a local co-op, in the form of (a series of?) single web pages and pdfs.
At this stage, we will have nothing to offer partners.
This first phase will enable us to set up an 'open: no ads' version of Freecycle, ( our 'Swap Shop') and also a basic 'Skills Exchange’ and begin a concerted membership drive.
I believe, the next part of PlaNet we should hope to offer our members (which is actually not listed on the page I quote - ooooops) is a distributed decision making system (DMS).
Membership of the open co-op MUST always be free for individuals who will have to agree to most of? our principles. Use of the DMS will be free for individual members of the Open Co-op, any group of users that does not want to join may pay a fee. Enterprises will pay for use of this system but, ones that wish to become partners (and that we deem worthy) also get the use of this system for free.
The next phase could be one of many things. I think it should be the 'Open guides'.
I've only just realised the Open Guides are in fact (dare I say 'simply') a shop with ratings, reviews, and a sustainability rating (see screenshot) but, mostly they are shops. I think we can offer a beta service (with minimal sustainability data) quite soon (using a mod of Zen cart?) where individuals NGOs and charities 'pay to trade' (via a democratically agreed level of commission) while enterprises 'pay to join and trade' and get 'ethically audited' into the deal, receiving the Open Kite Mark if they are up to spec.
That is my best medium term plan :) (we've done short term) I don’t think we can really plan much further atm but we will obviously also be investigating how to partner people that will help us provide the rest of the services listed as part of PlaNet.
2. OK, I’ve messed myself up with my own numbers. Dam ;( see above
3. Partly answered in 1. but once the distributed DMS is set up, one of the clearest means of making money will be selling it (to big enterprises), training innit (nice English) and instruction manuals in how to use it...
This will complement our insidious membership drive, general promotional activities and encourage (hopefully lucrative - think phone co-op) partnerships. It may also open the door for providing 'sustainable management consultancy' to big business, local government and many other organisations (for professional rates).
Once we have the Open guides we really have 'set up shop'.
4. dam this post is too long already, u probably all hate me and think these are shit ideas so i'll shut up now... (!) but the answers are: Grants and loans, for providing the services listed above, to several organisations, any time we like, for as much as we think it will take (if 'we' believe, innit!!!)
dyagetme?
RE: your last point, I mailed them, they're crap, but it is working atm enuf 4 me to do this! let's get something else sorted (as agreed) ASAP.
Peace
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Your work looks very exciting and could also benefit from the goodwill
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